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Strange that none of the INDIAN media (TV or Print) have picked this up at
all. Or have they been deliberately ignoring it?
Have a look at the attached pictures of one of the terrorists.
Notice the orange thread / band on his right hand.
Tying a red thread or cord around the wrist is a Hindu practice and it is unlikely a Muslim, especially one politicized enough to carry out
an attack such as this, would observe it. I think this provides more evidence that this was a false flag operation or at least an attack by a non-Muslim group.
For more information about the significance of the red thread see wikipedia.
Additionally, the terrorists inside the Nariman House Building were
reported to have stocked up on supplies on Wednesday evening, buying
not just food items but liquor, among other things, from a local store
Again, it is highly unlikely that a Muslim, let alone a ’Mujahid’, and especially one politicized enough to carry out such an attack, would consume liquor in normal life, let alone hours before his inevitable ’martyrdom’.
Its very possible that the Indian political party ”BJP” carried out the attacks since the elections in India are near.
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Time for you to open your eyes.Pakistan sponsored terrorism against India.Alas today it is not restricted to India alone for in future it would be Pakistan which will be in ruins if you dont act against the terrorists now.Benazir Bhutto was killed by the terrorists she used in Kashmir.Time to learn from past mistakes.As for the evidence you have sighted,it does not qualifies as an evidence.It is only through your wishful thinking that you see an accessory and call it red thread.
(Local Perspectives)
Shivangi, you can look closely at the pictures. That is indeed the ”kalawa”.
I will open my eyes, but don`t you think its a bit strange your media is so silent about this.
Your media is controlled by the government are will tell what India govt. wants to say.
I will open my eyes, but don`t you think its a bit strange your media is so silent about this.
Your media is controlled by the government are will tell what India govt. wants to say.
(Global Perspectives)
Arsalan, Let us stop this okay. Your government is shit scared to send your ISI chief to India because India has irrefutable proof that points all the fingers on Pakistan. I am not a Hindu but I will have your understand one thing in unequivocal terms...that the BJP or any other representative of the Sangh Parivar had nothing to do with it. There is enough evidence to prove that there were mobile calls by the terrorists to Pakistan over and over again during the terrorist attack.
(Local Perspectives)
Vincent, how are you so sure about BJP or RSS? Any reasons..
Have you not heard of atrocities against Christians by Hindus, raping of nuns. ALl those were followers of Hanumna. Hanumna is a lord who is worshiped by Hindus.
Some terrorists were speaking in Marathi as well. Isn’t this enough to tell that they were Hindus.
Have you not heard of atrocities against Christians by Hindus, raping of nuns. ALl those were followers of Hanumna. Hanumna is a lord who is worshiped by Hindus.
Some terrorists were speaking in Marathi as well. Isn’t this enough to tell that they were Hindus.
(Global Perspectives)
Arsalan,
I condemn the attack on Christians in strongest terms. But, that does not mean that I would be led astray on an issue like this.
All your agruments are based on the assumption that these people are muslims. Terrorists have no religion and they can do anything that includes all those things that you are citing.
I condemn the attack on Christians in strongest terms. But, that does not mean that I would be led astray on an issue like this.
All your agruments are based on the assumption that these people are muslims. Terrorists have no religion and they can do anything that includes all those things that you are citing.
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan, One more thing: who the hell were these terrorists calling in Karachi if they were Hindus? There is irrefutable evidence in the form of mobile call records. Can you explain that? And, what about the confessions of the terrorist who has been captured alive. Most of his confessions have been verified and found to be true.
(Local Perspectives)
Dear Arsalan,
Thanks for educating Indians and the world that the terrorists in Mumbai were Hindus!!!
If only your argument was not juvenile, it could have been just brushed aside with the contempt that it deserves.
But you seem to believe that you have done a great bit of RESEARCH by pointing out that the red thread is a practice among Hindus.
Thanks for educating the world.
This is what you have said: ``Again, it is highly unlikely that a Muslim, let alone a ’Mujahid’, and especially one politicized enough to carry out such an attack, would consume liquor in normal life, let alone hours before his inevitable ’martyrdom’.’’
Consumption of liquor in normal life ... by Muslims? It surprises me that you adopt a moralistic tone on something as trivial as consumption of liquor.
Great!
You believe this person who carried out the attack was a MUJAHID.
Was it a Hindu who killed the two Bhuttos? The father and the daughter, both.
Was it a Hindu who brought down General Zia ul Haq’s aircraft?
Please look inwards. One of the biggest challenge to the Pakistan nation is the threat from terrorism.
By the way, I have been lucky enough to visit Pakistan and was showered with love by my friends.
There is no need to jump the gun. The evidence is not out yet as to what all had happened. Or who did it?
Please for God’s sake, don’t try to give it a Hindu or a Muslim face!
Thanks for educating Indians and the world that the terrorists in Mumbai were Hindus!!!
If only your argument was not juvenile, it could have been just brushed aside with the contempt that it deserves.
But you seem to believe that you have done a great bit of RESEARCH by pointing out that the red thread is a practice among Hindus.
Thanks for educating the world.
This is what you have said: ``Again, it is highly unlikely that a Muslim, let alone a ’Mujahid’, and especially one politicized enough to carry out such an attack, would consume liquor in normal life, let alone hours before his inevitable ’martyrdom’.’’
Consumption of liquor in normal life ... by Muslims? It surprises me that you adopt a moralistic tone on something as trivial as consumption of liquor.
Great!
You believe this person who carried out the attack was a MUJAHID.
Was it a Hindu who killed the two Bhuttos? The father and the daughter, both.
Was it a Hindu who brought down General Zia ul Haq’s aircraft?
Please look inwards. One of the biggest challenge to the Pakistan nation is the threat from terrorism.
By the way, I have been lucky enough to visit Pakistan and was showered with love by my friends.
There is no need to jump the gun. The evidence is not out yet as to what all had happened. Or who did it?
Please for God’s sake, don’t try to give it a Hindu or a Muslim face!
(Local Perspectives)
I am just pointing out at something, which everyone seems to close their eyes at.
(Global Perspectives)
This was a well funded and staged ordeal using smarts and strategy.
So I am sure it isn’t a hindu group such as the Sangh Parivar, which is a low tech operation that brings it’s terror using the traditional weapons of the Ramayana, spears and swords.
So I am sure it isn’t a hindu group such as the Sangh Parivar, which is a low tech operation that brings it’s terror using the traditional weapons of the Ramayana, spears and swords.
(Global Perspectives)
Dear Abid,
How very wonderful?
We have to now learn about Ramayana from bigoted people like you who have no respect for other religions.
Sangh Parivar? ...
Ramayana ... low-tech?
How much or little do you know about your own scriptures that you can afford to mock those of others?
I don’t think Islam teaches anybody disrepect towards other religions.
At least, none of my Muslim friends has told me so, till date.
And I am among believers of all faiths in India who know about their respective faiths as well as any person in this whole world.
As long as there are people like you around, ... uneducated, bigoted and with little respect for multiple faiths and beliefs ... the world can’t be a safe place.
Thanks for informing us that people like you exist!
How very wonderful?
We have to now learn about Ramayana from bigoted people like you who have no respect for other religions.
Sangh Parivar? ...
Ramayana ... low-tech?
How much or little do you know about your own scriptures that you can afford to mock those of others?
I don’t think Islam teaches anybody disrepect towards other religions.
At least, none of my Muslim friends has told me so, till date.
And I am among believers of all faiths in India who know about their respective faiths as well as any person in this whole world.
As long as there are people like you around, ... uneducated, bigoted and with little respect for multiple faiths and beliefs ... the world can’t be a safe place.
Thanks for informing us that people like you exist!
(Local Perspectives)
Abid, havent you heard of Malegon blasts.
Those blasts weren’t carries out by traditional weapons, but using RDX.
Hindu militants are getting well funded these days.
Those blasts weren’t carries out by traditional weapons, but using RDX.
Hindu militants are getting well funded these days.
(Global Perspectives)
Abid, try not to give it a religious hue.We are not talking of Sangh Parivar or some muslim outfit here.We are talking about how the territory of Pakistan has been used to create terror in India.You need not give reference of Ramanaya you know nothing about.Smarts and strategy being used to kill innocent people...damn such ideology and such ideologists.
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan ’
How can you be so stupid to tell Indians that this attack was carried out by Hindus.The investigations have not been completed yet.This is as stupid as saying that the ISI is behind it.Lets wait and see how the Indian government goes about it’s own investigation...and I hope ISI and some other countries are also associated with it so everything is above board.
How can you be so stupid to tell Indians that this attack was carried out by Hindus.The investigations have not been completed yet.This is as stupid as saying that the ISI is behind it.Lets wait and see how the Indian government goes about it’s own investigation...and I hope ISI and some other countries are also associated with it so everything is above board.
(Global Perspectives)
Ooops I spoke too soon.The BJP has already threatened they would not allow any ISI person to be part of the inquiry.And knowing their clout within India I guess that’s it.Now the skeltons in their cupboard can remain safe!
(Global Perspectives)
Wow!!! Superb!!! Just imagine!! We as Indians are the ones who have suffered at the hands of terrorism! We are the ones who have lost their loved ones in this deadly war of terrorism, and that too without any fault of ours!! AND here We are the ones who are being accusedof killing havc in our own country!!! SORRY!!! We are not the ones who kill our own brothers and fathers to gain power!!!
(Local Perspectives)
”We are the ones who are being accusedof killing havc in our own country”
should be
We are the ones who are being accused of killing and creating havoc in our own country
should be
We are the ones who are being accused of killing and creating havoc in our own country
(Local Perspectives)
Megha tell me one thing, what do call ignorance?
Shutting once eyes at evidence or taking note of it.
Shutting once eyes at evidence or taking note of it.
(Global Perspectives)
You are talking on false evidences and proofs. First study the detail than come uo with your so-called proofs
(Local Perspectives)
What a stupidity i must say, this was a planned attack of Pakistan and few other countries and they did every possible thing to fuel the involvement of hindus in this attack like the hundu names were on I-card of schools and colleges. All the false documents were kept in bags to give a wrong track to investigation. I guess since malegaon investigation is going on these people have tried to give mumbai attack a similar look. But dear Arsalan you guys are simply ignogrant people dont know nothing, before doing any post first go in detail. We love our coutry and people whether they are hindu muslim, jews, christian. We can never think this bloodshed even in our dreams. Its only Pakistan where terrorsit training camps are running on. Give any such proof in India. When any incident happen in Pakinstan than also we use to feel sorry for the people who lossed their life because life is precious, but you people only know killings and there is no importance of life for you people.
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan
Wrist band is a fashion accessory..they come in all colors and size....So you call it an evidence? Nothing but Silly!
Unless you are one of them who planned to mislead the media by tying it!
Wrist band is a fashion accessory..they come in all colors and size....So you call it an evidence? Nothing but Silly!
Unless you are one of them who planned to mislead the media by tying it!
(Global Perspectives)
There is no end to this discussion, but I have one thing to say to Mr. Arsalan, that please firstly go through the history of the attacks that happened in Mumbai. Friend you are making a mountain out of a mole. May be the thread is just an accessory or some thing else. We are not the one’s who are spreading terrorism in our own country. I have a little question for you that would you love to be known as the killer of your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, and your children? We are the only one’s who have suffered at the hands of the terrorists. We have lost our loved one’s and you can’t point us like that.
(Local Perspectives)
Exactly!! I totally agree with Varsha! Wearing a thread does not and cannot decide a person’s religion! There are many hindus nowadyas who waer christian cross as an accessory and many christians who wear black beads in the hands as a fashion statement! Can we decide their religion by their accessories?? Not at all!! and to top it all, why were the terrorists calling Karachi time and again??? And why has the arrested terrorist told the aencies that he and others were trained in PAK????
Any answers Arsalan??? I think, being a human being, you should support the Indians in their moment of sorrow!
Any answers Arsalan??? I think, being a human being, you should support the Indians in their moment of sorrow!
(Local Perspectives)
Dear Arsalan, you post proves it that inspite of damming evidence people ( few pakistanis) just don’t want to accept reality. Really really unfortunate
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan,
It proves that you all support terrorism. you only say that you don’t want terrorism etc.. you might be seeing the wrist band of the terrorist (in pic), but can’t you see his eyes, his body language. You people are trying to convince the world that we generates terrorists. Go and see Pak occupied Kashmir, you will find your answer and complete bio-date of the person in pic.
It proves that you all support terrorism. you only say that you don’t want terrorism etc.. you might be seeing the wrist band of the terrorist (in pic), but can’t you see his eyes, his body language. You people are trying to convince the world that we generates terrorists. Go and see Pak occupied Kashmir, you will find your answer and complete bio-date of the person in pic.
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan,
Ajmal Amir Kasab (or Azam Amir Kasav) was captured by police after a shootout near the docks in southern Mumbai. He was wounded and feigned being dead, but was picked out by police after he was seen breathing.
Kasab said 20 Pakistanis began training in terror camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir more than one year ago. The group trained in the Kashmiri camps ”almost five-and-half months, during which the terrorist were taught the use of sophisticated arms and ammunition.”
After the training at the Kashmiri camps, the group was ”given a months leave and were ordered to gather in Karachi after the break for training in boating, rowing and swimming by the Pakistan Navy.”
The terrorists were then given maps and other information on their targets in Mumbai and trained in attacking the targets.
This is clear evidence, that Pakistan was involved. Let me see how you deny that.
Ajmal Amir Kasab (or Azam Amir Kasav) was captured by police after a shootout near the docks in southern Mumbai. He was wounded and feigned being dead, but was picked out by police after he was seen breathing.
Kasab said 20 Pakistanis began training in terror camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir more than one year ago. The group trained in the Kashmiri camps ”almost five-and-half months, during which the terrorist were taught the use of sophisticated arms and ammunition.”
After the training at the Kashmiri camps, the group was ”given a months leave and were ordered to gather in Karachi after the break for training in boating, rowing and swimming by the Pakistan Navy.”
The terrorists were then given maps and other information on their targets in Mumbai and trained in attacking the targets.
This is clear evidence, that Pakistan was involved. Let me see how you deny that.
(Local Perspectives)
Any answers?? Arsalan??? The said terrorist captured belongs to
Pakistan!!!! now, what do u have to say!! Now please don’t say that Indian govt. picked up a hindu boy, trained him to be muslim and sent him to Pakistan, to get training!!!! and after he got trained, called him back to mumbai, to leash violence at mumbai!!!
Pakistan!!!! now, what do u have to say!! Now please don’t say that Indian govt. picked up a hindu boy, trained him to be muslim and sent him to Pakistan, to get training!!!! and after he got trained, called him back to mumbai, to leash violence at mumbai!!!
(Local Perspectives)
Brilliant Ayushi! I am sure Arsalan will be fumbling for words and searching for another stupid and baseless reply for your queries. I don’t understand how audacious these people can get at such moments of crisis also. They seem to have forgotten the fate of JW Mariott all too soon...or maybe they are used to such happeninings everyday in Pakistan.
(Local Perspectives)
Mumbai bombings seem to be the desperate move of the Hindu terrorists and supremacists who want to blame everything on ‘Muslims’ but also want to enjoy the full benefits?
Perhaps the arrests of Indian army officers involved in bombings have panicked the Indian establishment? Many analysts believe it is a cover up and inside job because there are so many gaps in the reports.
India does not need external enemies as long as racist Hindu Fundamentalists are deeply penetrated in the establishment. BJP resent the fact that current ruling Congress party is headed by an Italian Sonia Gandhi. Well Congress Party was formed by British A.W Hume. Some times it is easy to occupy a country but it is very hard to subsist that occupation be it Kashmir or Palestine?
The racist ideology of Hindu Supremacist’s and their love affair with Israel and her polices, would bring sleepless nights and terrifying days for the Indians as common Israelis are feelings for long times and Americans have been feeling since 9/11?
Perhaps the arrests of Indian army officers involved in bombings have panicked the Indian establishment? Many analysts believe it is a cover up and inside job because there are so many gaps in the reports.
India does not need external enemies as long as racist Hindu Fundamentalists are deeply penetrated in the establishment. BJP resent the fact that current ruling Congress party is headed by an Italian Sonia Gandhi. Well Congress Party was formed by British A.W Hume. Some times it is easy to occupy a country but it is very hard to subsist that occupation be it Kashmir or Palestine?
The racist ideology of Hindu Supremacist’s and their love affair with Israel and her polices, would bring sleepless nights and terrifying days for the Indians as common Israelis are feelings for long times and Americans have been feeling since 9/11?
(Global Perspectives)
Have you ever been to a Muslim dargah like that in Ajmer? They also tie thread around the wrists of the pilgrims. It is not an exclusively Hindu practice.
(Local Perspectives)
@ Arsalan:
Remember Muhammad Atta & Co? They not only consumed alcohol but apparently paid for the services of a hooker the evening before they carried out the attacks.
Again, it is highly unlikely that a Muslim, let alone a ’Mujahid’, and especially one politicized enough to carry out such an attack, would consume liquor in normal life, let alone hours before his inevitable ’martyrdom’.
Remember Muhammad Atta & Co? They not only consumed alcohol but apparently paid for the services of a hooker the evening before they carried out the attacks.
(Local Perspectives)
Hey Jayanta...I am sure Arsalan have not even heard of his name...he and his kins are more intersetd in pointing their fingers at India at any cost!
(Local Perspectives)
I have said something with full evidence. Not like Jayanta, who is just blubbering with nothing substantial.
Can you provide us any link, pictures of that? Or should be only go by your word.
Can you provide us any link, pictures of that? Or should be only go by your word.
(Global Perspectives)
@ Arsalan:
What ’evidence’ are you talking about? Didn’t I just mention about the practice of wearing the sacred red thread is not exclusively Hindu? Have you ever been to a mazaar of a holy Muslim man like Nizamuddin, Gareeb Nawaz, Salim Chisti etc?
As far as the evidence of indulgence in alcohol by the 9/11 attackers is concerned, Williams, Paul L. in his book Al Qaeda: Brotherhood of Terror, 2002, writes
The 9/11 attackers availing services of prostitutes before the attacks is also well documented in Boston Herald that was following the investigations.
It says:
What ’evidence’ are you talking about? Didn’t I just mention about the practice of wearing the sacred red thread is not exclusively Hindu? Have you ever been to a mazaar of a holy Muslim man like Nizamuddin, Gareeb Nawaz, Salim Chisti etc?
As far as the evidence of indulgence in alcohol by the 9/11 attackers is concerned, Williams, Paul L. in his book Al Qaeda: Brotherhood of Terror, 2002, writes
There were numerous reports in the media of Atta and al-Shehhi going to Shuckum’s Oyster Pub and Seafood Grill, a sports bar in Hollywood, Florida, on September 8, 2001. Atta, al-Shehhi, and a third unidentified man reportedly drank heavily and played the Golden Tee ’97 arcade game there. The bartender said ”Atta drank vodka and orange juice, while Al-Shehhi preferred rum and cokes, five drinks apiece. They were wasted [visibly intoxicated].In the TIME article The New Breed of Terrorist by Johanna McGeary and David Van Biema citing sources and investigation evidence write:
Hollywood, Fla., is an overlooked burg outshone by Miami on one side and Fort Lauderdale on the other, trying to grab some limelight with a string of sushi and blues restaurants. One such establishment is Shuckums Oyster Pub and Seafood Grill, a music sho wcase with the requisite life-size shark mounted on an ocean-colored wall. It was at Shuckums, on Sept. 8, that Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi did some premass murder tippling. Atta drank vodka and orange juice, while Al-Shehhi preferred rum and cokes , five drinks apiece. ”They were wasted,” the bartender recalled, and Atta objected to the $48 bill. Tony Amos, the manager, asked if they were short the cash. ”No,” said Atta. ”I have plenty of money. I’m a pilot.” And he hauled a wad of $50 and $100 bil ls from his pocket, eventually leaving a $3 tip..
The 9/11 attackers availing services of prostitutes before the attacks is also well documented in Boston Herald that was following the investigations.
It says:
While preparing to unleash their twisted ``holy war’’ on America, some of the suicide hijackers set aside strict religious beliefs to whet their lusty appetites, partying with a high-priced hooker in Hub hotel rooms.Obviously, you cannot come up with anything of that sort. Pity.
A driver for a pair of local escort services told the Herald yesterday that he drove a call girl to the Park Inn in Chestnut Hill on Sept. 9 around 10:30 p.m. where she bedded down with one of the mass murderers. It was her second trip to the terrorist’s room that day.
(Local Perspectives)
Sorry, the link to the Time article didn’t form correctly. Here it is again for you.
(Local Perspectives)
A terrorist has no nationality, no religion. He is simply a terrorist.
(Global Perspectives)
Listen Muslims are not synonymous with Pakistan.There are muslims all over the world and if you think that only muslims who reside in Pakistan are the only true muslims then you cannot be further from the truth.If you misinterpret Quran then i dont think even Allah can save you.Lastly your home country Pakistan’s foundation was laid on the wrong notion that Pakistan: Pak(pious) sthan(place)is the only pious land.
Daagh wrote: Zahid sharaab peene de masjid mein baith kar
Ya wo jagah bata de jahan par khuda na ho.
Don’t give such inflammatory opinions in the name of God.
Daagh wrote: Zahid sharaab peene de masjid mein baith kar
Ya wo jagah bata de jahan par khuda na ho.
Don’t give such inflammatory opinions in the name of God.
(Local Perspectives)
arslan,
i dont have ne clue that how can u be so stupid.we Indians are facing this problem since last 60 years n thts just bcoz of Pakistan.i dnt know wat u r trying to prove by telling that the terrorist was a hindu.u cant deny that 99% of the terrorist activities are carried on by muslims.do u have ne answer for that?
i dont have ne clue that how can u be so stupid.we Indians are facing this problem since last 60 years n thts just bcoz of Pakistan.i dnt know wat u r trying to prove by telling that the terrorist was a hindu.u cant deny that 99% of the terrorist activities are carried on by muslims.do u have ne answer for that?
(Local Perspectives)
Hindu terrorists would have straight killed Muslims had they managed to get so huge ammunition......would never waste it on their fellow Hindu brothers!!!![:D]
(Local Perspectives)
A nice cock and bull story.Time for you to be a script-writer for a C-grade movie.
A piece of advice for likes of you:
” Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
A piece of advice for likes of you:
” Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
(Local Perspectives)
Hello,
I see from the comments that temperatures are running high, and that accusations and counter-accusations are being thrown around with no proof anywhere, whatsoever.
I am not an Indian or a Pakistani, but I can very well understand why tempers are flaring (I’m an Anglo-Saxon who saw 9/11).
It’s 10:55 Paris time and I have just visited 12 press agencies and news sources in Europe, America and, more importantly, on the Indian sub-continent.
There is nothing at all, nothing, anywhere, that would prove, or disprove, the implication of Pakistan, Indians, Muslims or Hindus in Mumbai.
(Unless someone has information that I don’t).
There seems to be mounting evidence that this attack was carried out from Pakistan, but, and it’s a very big but, even if this is PROVEN to be true, someone would still need to PROVE that the Pakistani government helped plan it or even knew about it.
Those in India will understand, because they were evidently not able to prevent the attack, which demonstrates that a government cannot know everything in that part of the world. The Americans are doing better, sure, but do you know the extent of the intelligence capability they have developed since 9/11?
Intelligence resources in India and Pakistan are cosiderably lower, which leads me to think that it remains entirely possible to attack an Indian city, unfortunately, and that it is also possible to train terrorists in Pakistan, all without their governments being able to stop it.
Sad, but true.
I just think we should wait until the Indians show the proof they claim to have.
Until then, it’s all conjecture..
(My take?
Operation planned in Pakistan, by Pakistanis. But NOT with the government’s knowledge. This is, of course, only my impression, gained from the information I have been able to read, and it is NOT a statement of fact.......)
Thank you.
I see from the comments that temperatures are running high, and that accusations and counter-accusations are being thrown around with no proof anywhere, whatsoever.
I am not an Indian or a Pakistani, but I can very well understand why tempers are flaring (I’m an Anglo-Saxon who saw 9/11).
It’s 10:55 Paris time and I have just visited 12 press agencies and news sources in Europe, America and, more importantly, on the Indian sub-continent.
There is nothing at all, nothing, anywhere, that would prove, or disprove, the implication of Pakistan, Indians, Muslims or Hindus in Mumbai.
(Unless someone has information that I don’t).
There seems to be mounting evidence that this attack was carried out from Pakistan, but, and it’s a very big but, even if this is PROVEN to be true, someone would still need to PROVE that the Pakistani government helped plan it or even knew about it.
Those in India will understand, because they were evidently not able to prevent the attack, which demonstrates that a government cannot know everything in that part of the world. The Americans are doing better, sure, but do you know the extent of the intelligence capability they have developed since 9/11?
Intelligence resources in India and Pakistan are cosiderably lower, which leads me to think that it remains entirely possible to attack an Indian city, unfortunately, and that it is also possible to train terrorists in Pakistan, all without their governments being able to stop it.
Sad, but true.
I just think we should wait until the Indians show the proof they claim to have.
Until then, it’s all conjecture..
(My take?
Operation planned in Pakistan, by Pakistanis. But NOT with the government’s knowledge. This is, of course, only my impression, gained from the information I have been able to read, and it is NOT a statement of fact.......)
Thank you.
(Global Perspectives)
Actually those who are insinuating that Hindu groups are behind the attacks obviously has enough proof to show that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by Zionists so that the world turns against Islam and root out their just causes in Palestine.
(Local Perspectives)
Hi Miachel!
I am about to post an article which is neither written by an Indian nor Pakistani.An article at this hour by an Indian is treated more as a finger-pointing than an attempt to set the records straight!!The article is not bundle of facts but only an attempt to tell that there is no point in providing escape-route to Pakistan.
You are correct that it’s to early to blame Pakistan in absence of concrete facts.But that should not prevent us to view happenings in light of proper analysis.I am no politician and ,therefore,not interested in blame game.But that doesn’t mean I should start viewing moon as sun.
I am about to post an article which is neither written by an Indian nor Pakistani.An article at this hour by an Indian is treated more as a finger-pointing than an attempt to set the records straight!!The article is not bundle of facts but only an attempt to tell that there is no point in providing escape-route to Pakistan.
You are correct that it’s to early to blame Pakistan in absence of concrete facts.But that should not prevent us to view happenings in light of proper analysis.I am no politician and ,therefore,not interested in blame game.But that doesn’t mean I should start viewing moon as sun.
(Local Perspectives)
”Moon as Sun?” Couldn’t agree more Arvind.
I will go to the article in half-an-hour (coupla things to do), particularly if you think it has something better to express than mud-slinging.
LOL!! GIMME FACTS!!
Particularly as, being from the West, I don’t, and cannot, have a ”grass-roots gut-feeling” about it all.
I’ll go wherever the facts take me....
Read you later and thanks....
I will go to the article in half-an-hour (coupla things to do), particularly if you think it has something better to express than mud-slinging.
LOL!! GIMME FACTS!!
Particularly as, being from the West, I don’t, and cannot, have a ”grass-roots gut-feeling” about it all.
I’ll go wherever the facts take me....
Read you later and thanks....
(Global Perspectives)
@ Arvind.
LOL!! I thought it was funny!! Sort of a Jewish twist!!!
If I wrote your language half as well as you write mine....
And, as you must be aware, I do NOT check my comments for typos.
Not important, and, as I said, sometimes funny....
LOL!! I thought it was funny!! Sort of a Jewish twist!!!
If I wrote your language half as well as you write mine....
And, as you must be aware, I do NOT check my comments for typos.
Not important, and, as I said, sometimes funny....
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@ Michael C
To make typos an issue is work of petty souls.
I think a writer is judged more on the basis of ideas he/she shares with the readers.Style of writing,construction of sentences and typos (if you are hyperactive in the cyber world)are very insignificant things.I mean they are important but not as important as one’s ideas.
Anyway, I have no authority to teach some new tricks to an old dog like you!I am ,at present,more interested in learning than teaching.It would be nothing short of foolhardiness if I start zeroing in on typos while reading the works of likes of Michael.....
Lastly, my articles and comments are full of typos.I just can’t avoid them.
And yes, I am not interested in mud-slinging either.It’s not in my blood.Facts.I have not only great liking for facts but also for sound interpretations.Interpretations are more important than facts.
To make typos an issue is work of petty souls.
I think a writer is judged more on the basis of ideas he/she shares with the readers.Style of writing,construction of sentences and typos (if you are hyperactive in the cyber world)are very insignificant things.I mean they are important but not as important as one’s ideas.
Anyway, I have no authority to teach some new tricks to an old dog like you!I am ,at present,more interested in learning than teaching.It would be nothing short of foolhardiness if I start zeroing in on typos while reading the works of likes of Michael.....
Lastly, my articles and comments are full of typos.I just can’t avoid them.
And yes, I am not interested in mud-slinging either.It’s not in my blood.Facts.I have not only great liking for facts but also for sound interpretations.Interpretations are more important than facts.
(Local Perspectives)
I am sorry, I did not mean to say anything negative or divisive.
But I know the Ramayana, as many Muslims do, better than most Hindus know the Quaran. This along with most Hindu literature exists because Muslim kings, liking good yarns had them translated and carried these stories through the Arab world and Europe. It can be argued that most Hindu stories were word of mouth until they were first written down under the patronage of Muslims.
I know that this is not in context to the discussion, but I think credit should be given where it is due. And also as a peace offering and condolence to Indians and Hindus on board.
But I know the Ramayana, as many Muslims do, better than most Hindus know the Quaran. This along with most Hindu literature exists because Muslim kings, liking good yarns had them translated and carried these stories through the Arab world and Europe. It can be argued that most Hindu stories were word of mouth until they were first written down under the patronage of Muslims.
I know that this is not in context to the discussion, but I think credit should be given where it is due. And also as a peace offering and condolence to Indians and Hindus on board.
(Global Perspectives)
Please know your history before commenting...Epics came into written format centuries before Islam came into existence...any credible source will tell you that...
Lot of people know the stories of the epics because they are interesting stories with moral lessons which can be used even without considering the religious aspect...its nothing strange
Lot of people know the stories of the epics because they are interesting stories with moral lessons which can be used even without considering the religious aspect...its nothing strange
(Local Perspectives)
Remarkably dumb!!!
Is this piece inspired by the fool with the red cap with two dumb lasses whom I just saw on youtube? He was saying the same thing. He went on to say that 9/11 was done by USA themselves & this is done by Indians themselves!....
Please note a few things...
1. Just a wristband which happen to be of a certain color does not negate all the trails of emails & satellite phone calls which are traced back to Pakistan.
2. It might even be a deliberate attempt to create the confusion and point fingers at RSS...even killing Karkare can be the motivated by same ambition (well if you can, I can cook my conspiracy theories too)
3. About taking liquor...I dunno where did you get these info, (well you people always had better info about terrorists)...anyway...that is nothing strange...these are no virtuous people...just a bunch of brainwashed vermins who think they’ll get 72 virgins if they die killing Kafirs...
4. The very fact that in an Indian forum you are still allowed to post such things and people are still trying to reason it out, shows which one is a democratic country.
5. Please stop living in denial....Pakistan doesn’t need to be worried of India or US...you biggest enemies are your own people...
Is this piece inspired by the fool with the red cap with two dumb lasses whom I just saw on youtube? He was saying the same thing. He went on to say that 9/11 was done by USA themselves & this is done by Indians themselves!....
Please note a few things...
1. Just a wristband which happen to be of a certain color does not negate all the trails of emails & satellite phone calls which are traced back to Pakistan.
2. It might even be a deliberate attempt to create the confusion and point fingers at RSS...even killing Karkare can be the motivated by same ambition (well if you can, I can cook my conspiracy theories too)
3. About taking liquor...I dunno where did you get these info, (well you people always had better info about terrorists)...anyway...that is nothing strange...these are no virtuous people...just a bunch of brainwashed vermins who think they’ll get 72 virgins if they die killing Kafirs...
4. The very fact that in an Indian forum you are still allowed to post such things and people are still trying to reason it out, shows which one is a democratic country.
5. Please stop living in denial....Pakistan doesn’t need to be worried of India or US...you biggest enemies are your own people...
(Local Perspectives)
It’s good to hear from you after a very long time.Anyway, you made a perfect comeback!!
I am happy that you decided to apprise him( Mr. Abid) of the bare facts related with scriptures.I didn’t do so because that was not in tune with the ongoing discussion.
Pakistan ,if it did not mend its ways,is bound to implode due to its own weight.
I am happy that you decided to apprise him( Mr. Abid) of the bare facts related with scriptures.I didn’t do so because that was not in tune with the ongoing discussion.
Pakistan ,if it did not mend its ways,is bound to implode due to its own weight.
(Local Perspectives)
Hi & thnx Aravind...
I am in some kind of hibernation...but couldn’t resist it this time...it had to be retaliated...
I am in some kind of hibernation...but couldn’t resist it this time...it had to be retaliated...
(Local Perspectives)
Arslan
Pakistan to-day is a functioning anarchy
and educated people like you need to introspect why it is so. Faster you do this the better is - otherwise there will be no Pakistan tomorrow. Religious fanatics in your country have already started threatening openly to take over reins of power in Pakistan. This is not a wake-up call it is an alarm bell
ringing loud and clear. The ”thread” that you talk about on the wrist of the terrorist is the thread that will soon become a noose round your neck - unless you open your eyes and accept the reality of Pakistan’s ( not necessarily Pakistan Govt) involvement in Mumbai attack.
Pakistan to-day is a functioning anarchy
and educated people like you need to introspect why it is so. Faster you do this the better is - otherwise there will be no Pakistan tomorrow. Religious fanatics in your country have already started threatening openly to take over reins of power in Pakistan. This is not a wake-up call it is an alarm bell
ringing loud and clear. The ”thread” that you talk about on the wrist of the terrorist is the thread that will soon become a noose round your neck - unless you open your eyes and accept the reality of Pakistan’s ( not necessarily Pakistan Govt) involvement in Mumbai attack.
(Local Perspectives)
We should remove the possibility of bad action from the society instead of fighting about pity things of cast and religion.
If we do so we are equal to our politicians.
If we do so we are equal to our politicians.
(Local Perspectives)
Arsalan, you are absolutely correct. This was a hindu false flag operation. Read Sebastian D’souza interview in independent.co.uk He took famous photo of so-called ”kasab”. He says there were many cops present at the train station but all refused to shot the attackers. Hemant Karkare, cop investigating Hindu terrorist groups was mysteriously killed during the attack. Google and youtube ”hindu terrorists”. Some one asked why would a hindu kill a hindu? Ask guy who killed Gandhi. Masses are itching to kill each other. Fools rush in where wise fear to dwell.
(Global Perspectives)
here is another one...
ur ”queries” & ”theories” have all been dissected before...read previous comments...
don’t try to twist facts....D’souza just said some of the cops din’t fire...that is nothing unusual considering those people are ill equipped for such sudden and intense attacks...
And it doesn’t remove all those satellite phone calls traced back to Pakistani servers...stop being ignorat...Pakistan is ruining itself in pursuit of ruining India...
ur ”queries” & ”theories” have all been dissected before...read previous comments...
don’t try to twist facts....D’souza just said some of the cops din’t fire...that is nothing unusual considering those people are ill equipped for such sudden and intense attacks...
And it doesn’t remove all those satellite phone calls traced back to Pakistani servers...stop being ignorat...Pakistan is ruining itself in pursuit of ruining India...
(Local Perspectives)
Actually I already gave you my theory of the Mumbai attacks. That is what you first responded to.
P.S. Why are you giving the Nazi salute on your picture?
P.S. Why are you giving the Nazi salute on your picture?
(Global Perspectives)
@Arsalan
You believe that wearing fancy coloured bands makes a guy Hindu.Ridiculous. Then every guy who wears a beard without a moustache should be a Muslim..eh!This is not even an article worth publishing.
Do you expect your Pakistani terrorists to enter India with their customary white ankle-high pyjama and kurta with the cap?
And do you think you can concoct a story by making people believe what the Pakistani terrorists did to camouflage their identity like keeping liquor bottles and fake id cards in their bags?
Try to find answers to the list of calls made by these terrorists to Pakistan.Also try to answer the confessions of the terrorist made to the FBI team from US.He is spilling the beans out to the whole world with evidence and those are being verified one by one..
You believe that wearing fancy coloured bands makes a guy Hindu.Ridiculous. Then every guy who wears a beard without a moustache should be a Muslim..eh!This is not even an article worth publishing.
Do you expect your Pakistani terrorists to enter India with their customary white ankle-high pyjama and kurta with the cap?
And do you think you can concoct a story by making people believe what the Pakistani terrorists did to camouflage their identity like keeping liquor bottles and fake id cards in their bags?
Try to find answers to the list of calls made by these terrorists to Pakistan.Also try to answer the confessions of the terrorist made to the FBI team from US.He is spilling the beans out to the whole world with evidence and those are being verified one by one..
(Global Perspectives)
It is just our inclination of mind which makes us think in a biased manner.
(Local Perspectives)
Frankly as an American, Indians and pakistanis can kill each other all they want. In fact the more you hate each other the less labor solidarity you will have, the weaker your unions will be, the lower your wages will be, the cheaper your products and services will be for US. Your best interests are for Indians and pakistanis to cooperate and live in harmony. America’s best interest is to divide and conquer. Please hate each other. Your only making life better for me
(Global Perspectives)
Certain things r beyond petty wages and salaries...religious terrorism doesn’t work at a logical level keeping economics in mind. If you are really an American I don’t know how you are being so naive after seeing 9/11.
Anyway don’t bother about other economies...save your GM if you can or think about Lehman guys who are out of the job already...
Anyway don’t bother about other economies...save your GM if you can or think about Lehman guys who are out of the job already...
(Local Perspectives)
I’m not worried about all the Wall St. fat cats who made greedy business decisions and messed up their businesses. Nor am I worried about all the high paid financial officers and MBA’s who lost their jobs. Anyway Bush gave the bankers their $700 billion bonuses this year.
As for the auto industry, the debate going on in Washington DC is a charade for public consumption. Who do you think is going to make american military vehicles and tanks? Will the US contract this to Japan? Give me a break.
You sound very passionate. But also very blinded by what hindus call maya or things of this world. Don’t your spiritual teachers tell you everything in this world is fake and unreal. The hindu fundamentalist believe they are going to start a war to finally wipe Pakistan off the map. After a terrible nuclear war it will become obvious to the survivors that peace and harmony is a better solution.
As for the auto industry, the debate going on in Washington DC is a charade for public consumption. Who do you think is going to make american military vehicles and tanks? Will the US contract this to Japan? Give me a break.
You sound very passionate. But also very blinded by what hindus call maya or things of this world. Don’t your spiritual teachers tell you everything in this world is fake and unreal. The hindu fundamentalist believe they are going to start a war to finally wipe Pakistan off the map. After a terrible nuclear war it will become obvious to the survivors that peace and harmony is a better solution.
(Global Perspectives)
u seem to be another typical ignorant westerner who with extremely low general knowledge about the rest of the world...
seeing some professional indian preachers out there you think all indians dwell in the world of unearthy spiritualism? and won’t retaliate when attacked?....
and anyway talk was not about a war with Pakistan ....it was wiping out terrorist bases out there...its apalling and irritating to to see totally detached people with limited knowledge use the phrases like ”hindu fundamentalism”....why you are still clueless about islamic fundamentalism even after 9/11 screwings...
And about GM...don’t think it can survive only with military orders...it has lost its passenger markets...
seeing some professional indian preachers out there you think all indians dwell in the world of unearthy spiritualism? and won’t retaliate when attacked?....
and anyway talk was not about a war with Pakistan ....it was wiping out terrorist bases out there...its apalling and irritating to to see totally detached people with limited knowledge use the phrases like ”hindu fundamentalism”....why you are still clueless about islamic fundamentalism even after 9/11 screwings...
And about GM...don’t think it can survive only with military orders...it has lost its passenger markets...
(Local Perspectives)
Your conception of 9/11 in the United States is also naive. Most Americans are against the war in Iraq which is why we elected Obama. Or maybe you didn’t notice or the Indian mass media lies to you too. And too many believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Google or youtube the movies ”911 blueprints” or ”911 coincidences”.
I don’t expect to change your mind or anyone else’s. Like Arjuna you are fated to kill your uncles and cousins, the Pakistani’s, in the coming war. You cannot change your fate. Nor is the tide of history going to suddenly reverse.
I personally have escaped the karmic cycle. So your petty hates and economics mean nothing to me. But to save my own soul it is my duty to tell those who have ears to listen why things are happening and what will happen in the future.
I don’t expect to change your mind or anyone else’s. Like Arjuna you are fated to kill your uncles and cousins, the Pakistani’s, in the coming war. You cannot change your fate. Nor is the tide of history going to suddenly reverse.
I personally have escaped the karmic cycle. So your petty hates and economics mean nothing to me. But to save my own soul it is my duty to tell those who have ears to listen why things are happening and what will happen in the future.
(Global Perspectives)
Brother I am in no mood of joking...
gimme a break from those conspiracy theories...only if you apply a bit of mind u’ll find 20 loopholes in those stories...
And anyway you once again showed you ignorance when you mentioned Iraq war...Iraq war is being fought on a totally different ground and most of the world oppose it....the direct aftermath of 9/11 was the attack was Afghanistan...and no one directly opposed it...
if u r so righteous, save the American first...anyway if you think all Indian are Gandhians you are making a mistake...it’s unfortunate that when people are being killed on the street you are taking it as an opportunity to show off your non existent wisdom...
passivity, tolerance, resilience under repeated attacks in nothing but cowardice...Thankfully US din’t show cowardice after 9/11....neither should anyone else...
gimme a break from those conspiracy theories...only if you apply a bit of mind u’ll find 20 loopholes in those stories...
And anyway you once again showed you ignorance when you mentioned Iraq war...Iraq war is being fought on a totally different ground and most of the world oppose it....the direct aftermath of 9/11 was the attack was Afghanistan...and no one directly opposed it...
if u r so righteous, save the American first...anyway if you think all Indian are Gandhians you are making a mistake...it’s unfortunate that when people are being killed on the street you are taking it as an opportunity to show off your non existent wisdom...
passivity, tolerance, resilience under repeated attacks in nothing but cowardice...Thankfully US din’t show cowardice after 9/11....neither should anyone else...
(Local Perspectives)
Clueless about Islamic Fundamentalism? Let me teach you the history of islamic fundamentalism in a mustard seed. Following WWII most liberation movements were atheist Marxist such as Communist parties in China and Vietnam and PLO. The United States funded muslim fundamentalist groups to combat the PLO and the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The Osama family are Bush’s best friends. Or perhaps you never heard of ”Fahrenheit 911”? We bought and paid for islamic fundamentalists. We own them. They fight for US.
(Global Perspectives)
there is no point talking to u...but i’ll make two points...
1.come out from your illusion...u created them...but no longer own them...u created a Frankenstein...and got screwed in the process...now u hav to fight back...Michael Moore is also a propagandist...u can’t place 100% faith on him...just making money by sensationalizing it...
2. So where is the enlightened being who ”escaped the karmic cycle” and was out there to save people’s soul? Why sudden statements like ”We bought and paid for islamic fundamentalists. We own them. They fight for US. ”...
you are just a hypocrite who by any means wants to show off how intellectual he is...but with conflicting remarks you have only made it clear who is at fault...
1.come out from your illusion...u created them...but no longer own them...u created a Frankenstein...and got screwed in the process...now u hav to fight back...Michael Moore is also a propagandist...u can’t place 100% faith on him...just making money by sensationalizing it...
2. So where is the enlightened being who ”escaped the karmic cycle” and was out there to save people’s soul? Why sudden statements like ”We bought and paid for islamic fundamentalists. We own them. They fight for US. ”...
you are just a hypocrite who by any means wants to show off how intellectual he is...but with conflicting remarks you have only made it clear who is at fault...
(Local Perspectives)
You’re so filled with hate you can barely read my words. In fact, you have distorted everything I have said so far. For example, I said ”to save my own soul”. I can’t save ”the people’s” or anybody else’s. Only you can save your own soul.
You don’t understand where I’m coming from because I come from the future ... from a post-modernist perspective. Western Philosophy did not end with Sartre as you may have been taught.
But I’m not against you. Please, take this gun and slay your enemies. If they’re muslims, or christians or whom ever you hate. And go with God and may they protect you.
You don’t understand where I’m coming from because I come from the future ... from a post-modernist perspective. Western Philosophy did not end with Sartre as you may have been taught.
But I’m not against you. Please, take this gun and slay your enemies. If they’re muslims, or christians or whom ever you hate. And go with God and may they protect you.
(Global Perspectives)
please understand that this is a serious issue where 200 people were killed for no fault of their own... and such jokes are not welcome...
why don’t you tell the Pakis to be patient?...don’t distort spiritualism...
go back to your ”future”...u might find some takers...or better would be to start writing sci fi for Hollywood movies...
why don’t you tell the Pakis to be patient?...don’t distort spiritualism...
go back to your ”future”...u might find some takers...or better would be to start writing sci fi for Hollywood movies...
(Local Perspectives)
It is my desire to have a completely open mind to any well thought out and reasoned theory and welcome any intelligent source.
You mentioned that ”911 coincidences” and other documentaries of their ilk have ”20 loopholes”. I am very interested in learning about these ”loopholes”. Please tell me where I can find an intelligent refutation of these theories.
P.S. And not the Report of the 911 Commission. This official US Government document is sorely incomplete and, by it’s own obfuscation discredits itself.
Thank you for your assistance.
You mentioned that ”911 coincidences” and other documentaries of their ilk have ”20 loopholes”. I am very interested in learning about these ”loopholes”. Please tell me where I can find an intelligent refutation of these theories.
P.S. And not the Report of the 911 Commission. This official US Government document is sorely incomplete and, by it’s own obfuscation discredits itself.
Thank you for your assistance.
(Global Perspectives)
first give me your counter theory...
not just the statement...but the reasons for making them...
not just the statement...but the reasons for making them...
(Local Perspectives)
Also...plz avoid spirituality in doing so...
and also...this thread was basically about Mumbai attacks...put your theories about that too...(not the ones given by the artcile writer....those have already been nullified by many)
and also...this thread was basically about Mumbai attacks...put your theories about that too...(not the ones given by the artcile writer....those have already been nullified by many)
(Local Perspectives)
Actually I already gave you my theory of the Mumbai attacks. That is what you first responded to.
P.S. Why are you giving the Nazi salute on your picture?
P.S. Why are you giving the Nazi salute on your picture?
(Global Perspectives)
if that was your ”theory” then that has already been responded to...it is sad that the one who pretends to be the terminator like savior who has come back from future to save humanity resorts to such pulp fiction...
and you don’t have to invoke Hitler to justify your sermons...
and you don’t have to invoke Hitler to justify your sermons...
(Local Perspectives)
We must think and talk something which is positive and can motivate those people to come to main stream.
(Local Perspectives)
You seem like a sincere and well meaning person. For that the universe has blessed you. But I can see why you are failing in your goals. You are a positive person. Positives will always attract negatives. Physics 101. Be like the neutron. Only the positive protons will be attracted to you and you will be invisible to the negative electrons.
Forget the mainstream. The problem are not a handful of terrorists but the millions in the mainstream who are so easily manipulated by them. If the masses had no desire to kill, the actions of a few terrorists would only motivate people to increase their efforts for peace. There is no mainstream their is only the herd heading for the culling.
Stop trying to change everybody else. It is impossible to change someone else. But it is only almost impossible to change yourself. Change yourself and you will have changed the world.
Forget the mainstream. The problem are not a handful of terrorists but the millions in the mainstream who are so easily manipulated by them. If the masses had no desire to kill, the actions of a few terrorists would only motivate people to increase their efforts for peace. There is no mainstream their is only the herd heading for the culling.
Stop trying to change everybody else. It is impossible to change someone else. But it is only almost impossible to change yourself. Change yourself and you will have changed the world.
(Global Perspectives)
These are the wisest words I have seen in ages.
The problem are not a handful of terrorists but the millions in the mainstream who are so easily manipulated by them.
Rest of the debate and comments on this thread is just based on establishing supremacy of one’s own theories and thoughts.
Great!!
The problem are not a handful of terrorists but the millions in the mainstream who are so easily manipulated by them.
Rest of the debate and comments on this thread is just based on establishing supremacy of one’s own theories and thoughts.
Great!!
(Local Perspectives)
Yes Aneez...but we all know that...we have been knowing it since decades...what difference does it make?
Demanding punishment of the criminals is not fascism or intolerance...nor is it jingoism...
Can you reason it out with the likes Masud Azhars and convince them to come to mainstream?...if not then what is the point of such idealism?
Demanding punishment of the criminals is not fascism or intolerance...nor is it jingoism...
Can you reason it out with the likes Masud Azhars and convince them to come to mainstream?...if not then what is the point of such idealism?
(Local Perspectives)
Hi Jitaditya,
Excuse me, but I just fail to understand your words. What difference you are talking about?
I just praised the wise words spoken by Ma Enki. And, it does make a difference.. even if it doesn’t appeal to you. :-)
Also,
Demanding punishment of the criminals is not fascism or intolerance...nor is it jingoism
Hey buddy, I am not from any Human Rights Organisation so don’t expect me to bve lenient with the terrorists. I am not at all against punishing the culprits, but I am against the idea of shutting my eyes and ears when someone else tries to come up with his theory.
In our deepest of minds, we may be confident that his theory is totally stupid claims, but then again, even our own theories are bound to attract the same sentiments from others.
Anyway, good you brought up the topic of that Masood Azhar. You know what??
Every time he is involved in a terrorist attack in India, I curse him but not him alone... I also curse the Indian Government of that period who treated Masood as a VIP and escorted him to freedom after that plane hijack incident.
And, if it is today proved that Masood Azhar was behind the attacks, then the blame will also automatically be shared by those politicians who were inefficient to deal with that (plane hijack) situation.
Finally, I don’t give much importance to words like ’idealism’, ’fascism’ and what you call it...’ jingoism’
Again, I don’t expect the world to share my sentiments :-) so the ones who are not comfortable with my words may please excuse me and carry on with their routine activities.
Excuse me, but I just fail to understand your words. What difference you are talking about?
I just praised the wise words spoken by Ma Enki. And, it does make a difference.. even if it doesn’t appeal to you. :-)
Also,
Demanding punishment of the criminals is not fascism or intolerance...nor is it jingoism
Hey buddy, I am not from any Human Rights Organisation so don’t expect me to bve lenient with the terrorists. I am not at all against punishing the culprits, but I am against the idea of shutting my eyes and ears when someone else tries to come up with his theory.
In our deepest of minds, we may be confident that his theory is totally stupid claims, but then again, even our own theories are bound to attract the same sentiments from others.
Anyway, good you brought up the topic of that Masood Azhar. You know what??
Every time he is involved in a terrorist attack in India, I curse him but not him alone... I also curse the Indian Government of that period who treated Masood as a VIP and escorted him to freedom after that plane hijack incident.
And, if it is today proved that Masood Azhar was behind the attacks, then the blame will also automatically be shared by those politicians who were inefficient to deal with that (plane hijack) situation.
Finally, I don’t give much importance to words like ’idealism’, ’fascism’ and what you call it...’ jingoism’
Again, I don’t expect the world to share my sentiments :-) so the ones who are not comfortable with my words may please excuse me and carry on with their routine activities.
(Local Perspectives)
@Aneez
The point I am trying to make is...whenever something happens...along with all the usual outcry another simultaneous stream follows...that is of self condemnation...have we done something wrong to make terrorists angry?...are we being intolerant ? etc etc...
But despite some exceptions India is still arguably one of the most tolerant places in the world as the history would suggest...
That is why I don’t like it when Americans or anyone else come and preach tolerance, spiritualism etc to us...while they have never practiced it themselves...
By ”difference” I meant have we been successful to appease the terrorists all these years by being soft?...(Indian retaliation is still mostly soft compared to any other nation...)...
I sincerely believe we need more aggression in policies (by aggression I don’t mean direct war)..
The point I am trying to make is...whenever something happens...along with all the usual outcry another simultaneous stream follows...that is of self condemnation...have we done something wrong to make terrorists angry?...are we being intolerant ? etc etc...
But despite some exceptions India is still arguably one of the most tolerant places in the world as the history would suggest...
That is why I don’t like it when Americans or anyone else come and preach tolerance, spiritualism etc to us...while they have never practiced it themselves...
By ”difference” I meant have we been successful to appease the terrorists all these years by being soft?...(Indian retaliation is still mostly soft compared to any other nation...)...
I sincerely believe we need more aggression in policies (by aggression I don’t mean direct war)..
(Local Perspectives)
I’m glad to read that you are against ”direct war”. Thank you for your enlightened position. The resolution of these terrorist acts should be with law enforcement. That is the best policy.
(Global Perspectives)
Hey Jit,
Who told you that I have not understood your point? :-)
I very well understand what point u are trying to make. And, I AM WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE. ;-)
Aggression is the key, but our Government is avoiding it. Its high time the Government of India changes its stance.
Who told you that I have not understood your point? :-)
I very well understand what point u are trying to make. And, I AM WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE. ;-)
Aggression is the key, but our Government is avoiding it. Its high time the Government of India changes its stance.
(Local Perspectives)
It is matter of understanding the words and taking right action.
(Local Perspectives)
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BJP and RSS might be behind this, as everyone knows why they came to power after demolishing a religious place.
Well said. Posting two interesting comments that are not only in tune with your sentiments but also place in the dock all those who are too cocksure about hand of Hindu groups.These gentlemen posted their comments on an article called ”Jihad in Mumbai” by Baron Bodissey.
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”Have you noticed that in every incident in which Muslims kill or attempt to kill infidels, “no connection with terrorism is involved”? Before the bodies are even covered up and rolled away on the gurneys, the spokesmen grab the microphones to assure the public that they have nothing to worry about. Despite the fact the Americans, Britons, Spaniards, Italians, etc., are killed while their murderers shout “Allahu Akhbar!”, there is “no connection with terrorism”.”
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I’m having trouble buying this whole scenario. Are you saying that muslims did this? That’s absurd. As George Bush mentioned, islam is a religion of peace!
And religions of peace don’t kill people. No, this must be the work of Indian Nihilists, or maybe some murderous Buddhists. It can’t be the Religion of Peace. It’s just not possible. Our President(read George Bush) wouldn’t lie to us.
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